Brake Bleeding again

Guys hello from Greece again . I could use some help around the brake bleeding proccedure. As my pedal doing long distance before the car brakes and when motor on and car stopped the brake pedal keeps going down on forced applied i though i need a bleeding.

I read this one "www.sgaf.de/content/einbau-bremskraftverstaerker-beim-sga-ii-esp-405886" and scared . Do i have to do all this or just bleeding like here "www.sgaf.de/content/bremsen-entlueften-410556".

Also what dot do i have to use ?

I hope you can understand . Be well Pavlos

#1

To give you some useful advices we need to know what did you before? Did you change the brake pads or did you repair other things on the braking system? Or came it out of the blue?

At the moment it sounds a little bit like that you have some air in your brake system. But the reason for that could be very different and so we need the history or more information. Also important to know whether the brake fluid level is normal or if you loose some brake fluid.

regards
toum-toum

#2

First off all thanks for ur reply. I did change the brake pads ( rear ) and the brake discs (rear). The brake fluid seems lower than it should be .

#3

Do you mean the break Fluid level is below minimum? And this after the change of the rear Brake disc and pads?
Do you remeber wether the brake fluid level was below minimum before you did change the brakes (I guess no)? Another question did you have the same issue before changing the rear break?

Usually you don’t have to open the Brake circuit and there is normaly no risk to lose any Break fluid. Would be important to answer also on the questions above.

But for the first I would bleed the brakes (your second link in your post). Anyway you have somewhere lost some break fluid. After bleeding the brakes check if the brakes work in a proper way. If they are working in a proper way, mark the brake fluid level and then check in certain time slots wether the level is lowering or not.

If the break fluid level becomes again lower you have somewhere a leakage.

toum-toum

#4

The brake fluid is not below minimum but it is low. The problem started after the replace of the pads and discs ( rear ) . The basic problem is that when i am pressing the pedal when the motor is on then ( without the car moving ) then the brake pedal hits the ground ( it lowers slowly) . I am thinking of doing some brake bleeding on the rear brake and if it keeps doing it then i ll come back.

Please tell me what brake fluid is the proper one . Is it dot4.1 or dot5 ? On the second that i have write on my first post i didn’t understood how i should do the bleeding. I imagine it is with the motor ,isn’t it ?

#5

To be honest, I have the feeling you have no experience to bleeding the Brake. You don’t do the Brake bleeding with the motor. You have to open the valve of the Break depress the Brake pedal and then close the valve. But as the Brake system is security related system you should know what you do.
Which brake fluid you have to use you should find in the manual. To mix DOT4 and DOT5 fluid is a no go. You can mix DOT4 with DOT5.1. But it is important to know which fluid is still in the system (manual, sometimes you can find it on lid of the brake reservoir.

toum-toum

#6

I was bleeding my brakes on my smv750 my dr350 and my TDM900. I also have the brake bleeding on my 2cv citroen . I thought that it is normal but i have read some posts ( saying about bleeding abs unit ) and thought that i would asked before i ll do anything.

i am searching the whole manual ( it is on German language ) and i cannnot find the dot type for my Sharan But i ll search again .

Thanks a tone for ur kind reply toum-toum. Be well. If there is something wrong i ll come back to post .

ps i think i found it it is dot4

Thanks once more

#7

Please note, if you push the brake pedal don’t push it to the ground (or the guy who will help you). This could destroy the seal of the masterbreak cylinder. So push the pedal only to that level the pedal would go in the normal operation. I would also guess that you have DOT4. But as I said DOT4 and DOT5 could not be mixed!
Special procedure to bleed the brake is only necessary if the break system is empty. Try first the normal way.

I was only a little bit confused because you mentioned to use the motor to bleed the brake and I thought you did it never before. Sorry. First let’s try the normal way.

Regards
Holger

#8

I own an apology Holger not you . I know my posts are confusing and i know that i shoudn’t ask about the motor…! ANyway thanks for the tip on the master cylinder . I will try and do it on weekend .

Be well guys .